MAL 59989
Kami no Tou: Koubou-sen
神之塔 -Tower of God- 工房戦
Tower of God Season 2: Workshop Battle
jmhj
Tower of God season 2 might be one of the most frustrating viewing experiences I've ever had. Why? Because in just about every sense of the word, the show has been an apparent failure, and yet, underneath the sheer below-adequacy, you can tell there's a great story underneath, wanting to be told - bear in mind that I approach this review from the perspective of someone that has not (yet) read the source material. There is more or less only one positive thing to mention about ToG's second season, so it makes sense to mention it first: the music. Kevin Penkin returns as composer, and does not disappoint. The ethereal and atmospheric soundtrack sets a great tone, and tries (but ultimately fails) its best to carry the show on its back. Now, on to the negatives - where to begin... The animation is horrendous and might as well have been put together in a high-school PowerPoint project - for a story that contains a lot of action, clearly this doesn't cut it. Pacing is absolutely dire, as a current ToG anime-only I spent a good portion of the time confused. Who are these new characters? What is this new crucial item/artifact? Why should I care? This is all accompanied by awfully wooden dialogue, which produces a truly bizarre result that somehow ends up being both too fast-paced to follow and depressingly boring at the same time. Many people seem to think that changing studio killed this show, and after watching this, I find it difficult to disagree. One final positive is that this experience may well push me to pick up the manhwa, so that I can enjoy the non-bastardised version of what appears to be a potentially great story, let down by a seemingly amateur studio. Plot: 3 Characters: 3 Animation: 2 Soundtrack: 8 Enjoyment: 2
Blood2765
Tower of God – From Intriguing Mystery to Disjointed Chaos The first season of Tower of God was like a seductive invitation to the unknown: a universe with potential, a mysterious protagonist and a climbing system that aroused curiosity. There were well-positioned intrigues, characters with defined roles and a narrative progression that, despite not delivering all the answers, made the viewer believe that they would come. This feeling of discovery, of climbing not just a tower, but layers of motivation and revelation, created an engaging atmosphere. Even without understanding all the mechanisms, the plot maintained its rhythm, and the central dilemmas — such as the relationship between Bam and Rachel — offered the kind of tension that kept us hooked. But it was only when the season turned for the anime to lose this guiding thread. What was once a controlled mystery became an overdose of disconnected elements: rankings with no logical scale, secret organizations stacked on top of each other, characters with stories that begin and never end. The plot becomes fragmented, and the viewer goes from curious to exhausted, trying to follow a storyline that seems to reinvent itself with each arc without concluding the previous one. What could have been a great journey of maturation and overcoming is diluted in repetitive cycles: a new character with a secret past, a random connection with another character, a predictable betrayal, and a vague promise that "one day everything will be revealed". But that "one day" never comes. While the first season suggested an anime about ambition, strategy and the price of ascension, the following seasons delve into a maze of parallel plots with no real emotional weight. Bam's leading role also suffers: instead of seeing clear evolution, what we have are specific moments of power without a narrative construction to match. In the end, Tower of God is the portrait of wasted potential. It started as a game of chess and turned into a game of chance. Those who watch it bet that at some point logic will return — but the tower seems to have gotten lost in its own maze.
CyberXane
Tower of God Season 2, overall, was a big oof. To start, the story itself is absolutely fantastic, and the opening and ending music for both parts are awesome. I'd definitely recommend this series to anyone just for the story. However, where the season fails the most is in its pacing. While the animation could use some improvement, it’s the pacing that stands out as the biggest issue. After watching this season, I revisited some earlier chapters of the manhwa and noticed how much better the pacing was compared to the anime adaptation. It feels like the creators tried to cram too much into each episode. Blink for even a second, and you might miss important details. This fast-paced approach undermines the storytelling and makes it harder to fully appreciate the narrative. Despite these flaws, the story and music remain highlights of the season. That said, Season 2 desperately needs a redo to give the source material the justice it deserves. Of course we're probably not going to get one anytime soon, so hopefully they can at least fix season 3 in this case.
logic340
The Workshop Battle is one of the most iconic arcs in Tower of God and a fan-favorite for many who’ve followed the series. This arc serves as a culmination of everything that’s come before it, bringing together characters and storylines from Season 1 and the Return of the Prince arc while laying the groundwork for the explosive events to follow. However, while the anime adaptation delivers the key moments fans anticipated, its rushed pacing and lackluster animation leave much to be desired. Plot: 7/10 The Workshop Battle arc is rich with intrigue, high-stakes competition, and significant character development. It successfully weaves together the disparate threads of the previous arcs, reuniting characters and heightening tensions as alliances are tested and secrets unveiled. The titular Workshop is a playground for innovation, betrayal, and competition, and the narrative expertly showcases the depth of Tower of God’s world-building. However, the pacing detracts from the experience. Critical moments feel glossed over, leaving newcomers to the series struggling to keep up with the dense story. For those familiar with the original webtoon, it’s evident how much nuance and context were sacrificed in the adaptation. The rushed storytelling undermines the emotional weight of several key moments, making the stakes feel less immediate than they should. Animation: 6/10 The animation for this arc is serviceable but disappointing, especially considering the dynamic and visually striking battles depicted in the source material. Action sequences that should have been jaw-dropping fell short due to lackluster choreography and inconsistent quality. This is particularly noticeable in climactic moments where the animation should elevate the tension but instead feels flat and uninspired. While character designs remain faithful to the original, the overall visual presentation doesn’t do justice to the vibrant world of Tower of God. Backgrounds lack detail, and the fight scenes—pivotal to this arc—don’t have the impact they deserve. Fans of the series can only hope that future adaptations will receive the budget and attention necessary to bring this stunning world to life. Characters: 7/10 Tower of God thrives on its diverse and memorable cast, and this arc is no exception. The dynamics between the characters are as engaging as ever, with their personalities and interactions adding depth and humor to the story. The betrayals, alliances, and rivalries that unfold in the Workshop Battle highlight the series' strength in crafting complex relationships. Unfortunately, the rushed pacing strikes again, as the nuanced character development that makes this cast so compelling is often overlooked. With such a large ensemble, it’s crucial for each character to have room to breathe and grow, but the anime doesn’t allow enough time for these relationships to flourish. The bonds and backstories that define these characters and their motivations are condensed, leaving viewers with a surface-level understanding of what makes them special. Sound: 7/10 The sound design is competent, effectively setting the mood for dramatic confrontations and lighter moments alike. The OST does its job, blending seamlessly with the scenes to enhance the emotional impact. However, the OP and ED are a notable letdown. While Tower of God has had strong opening and ending themes in the past, this season’s offerings fail to capture the spirit of the story or leave a lasting impression. Compared to the memorable tracks that accompanied previous arcs, these feel underwhelming and out of place. Enjoyment: 8/10 Despite its shortcomings, the Workshop Battle arc remains an enjoyable experience. For long-time fans, there’s an undeniable thrill in seeing such a pivotal arc brought to life, even if the execution isn’t perfect. The high-stakes battles, intricate character dynamics, and the sheer scope of the story make it a worthwhile watch. However, the flaws in animation and pacing may dampen the experience for those new to Tower of God. While the adaptation has its merits, it’s clear that the story deserves more time and care to fully realize its potential. Final Thoughts The Workshop Battle arc is a mixed bag. It succeeds in bringing the core elements of the story to the screen but falters in execution. For fans of Tower of God, this arc is a must-watch, if only to see beloved characters and moments in motion. However, the rushed pacing and lackluster animation make it hard to recommend as a standalone experience. There’s hope that future adaptations will learn from these shortcomings, giving this incredible series the treatment it deserves. But for now, the Workshop Battle arc is an enjoyable, if flawed, addition to the Tower of God anime.
Ginger123456
Apart from the animation being a little stiff the s2 is worth watching (people complaining about the story not having too fast progress should try reading the manhwa ) someone who just watched the anime the pace was good . The story personally has the workshop battle and while there are many new characters i think the story does a pretty good job introducing them . Animation - the animation is a bit stiff (but not power point, I seriously think people can atleast differentiate between power point and stiff animation ) it's fine if someone doesn't have understanding of animation, i don't have too much as well however the animation is not power point not the most fluent . Artstyle is a little different but not too noticeable . Clothes - personally Viole 's blue outfit just seemed soo random and one thing which felt like it didn't suit the character, I wonder if it's same in manwha or not Story pace - considering tower of god story i think the pace is fine it's neither too fast nor too slow . It can feel boring at some parts but the pace is really not a big problem considering the fact that the story has soo many aspects ( I do hope people complaining about the not too great fight scenes and super slow pace know that having a story without too much action fight scenes , where they reveal everything fast would feel just awkward) hence I believe the pace is fine . For impatient people - I feel like it applies to a lot of stories but a story like tower of god may require many seasons and though I haven't read manhwa it's evident from the anime there will be more arcs and seasons . • maybe reading a manhwa would be a better option if the animation or the pace is bothering some people. Story explanation - it's true that we still do not know too much about the tower and would appreciate if there's a next season they explain more about the tower. And the rankers and regular irregular system. Reunion - the end is satisfying of the season . Song - the song animation is creative and the music is also very good . Personal opinions - overall I read the reviews and I wanted to talk about how the budget may be a reason for stiff animation. Honestly a lot of anime have a very great action fight scenes but lacks the story part where they only focus on fight scenes and then skip story or end it too short . Hence why I think tower of god animators does a pretty good job at creating this balance between fights scenes and story there's great potential to the story . I personally think people should be more understanding even a little bit because the story budget of animation or about the bts we don't know much of and from a viewer's experience had no complaints tower of god is like one of those stories where there's many aspects ans parts and finding a balance or explaining could be hard ( at the same time too much explanations would ruin the fun of story ) and a little big suspence and slow revealing helps I wish we could have gotten more seasons and smoother animations but the current studio and anime is fine the story will need more seasons and I really wish they can give better explanations. But personally giving it a low score of 6 doesn't make sense . I feel these days people are watching anime more for graphics and animations being super smooth or pretty which while is important I think the story too is important and I find the pace fine I don't normally dislike animes too much but it's sad to see people complaint only about the one aspect that is animation ( when we don't know about the budget ) . ( A very personal opinion: nowadays there are many pretty animes with beautiful animations and story is straight up shit but they get 7 or 8 ,9 reviews with just one scene being nice ) But then story like these people only focus on bad aspects on brighter side I actually appreciate the studio making it a fine pace. I understand others opinions and perspectives but I think we can do better than just commenting about the animation stiffness ( since that really has to do more with budget ) and studio. While animes animations are important it's a nice reminder that studies are based off on manhwa and manga or adapted so maybe some issues could be with the story itself instead of adaptation into anime , I can't say in case of tower of god but I do know some stories where the manwha or manga just had a slower pace and the animation just followed that .
ShadowTasos
This season of Tower of God, and particularly part 2, felt like everything was being ad-libbed. Like the characters are just making up lines and plot points as they go, because there is no overall structure to what's going on. You could honestly watch this show in a language you don't understand without subtitles and not miss much at all, because it's all just kinda nonsense anyway. The pacing is a particular sore point, with things moving so quickly that absolutely nothing has any emotional impact at all, it feels like things are just happening randomly and you're supposed to nod along as you accept it without thinking about it at all. I won't harp about the animation quality being abysmal, that horse has been beaten to death already. It continues to be as bad as it was in the first part of season 2, but since there are more fight scenes, it stands out more - the fights truly looked absolutely awful. There are some positives. Some of the newly introduced characters are pretty cool, with visually appealing designs. Music continues to be stellar, a high point for Tower of God since its beginning. And while the actual lines that the characters speak are nonsense, the Japanese voice acting is superb - though that is to be expected given how they have some of the most high-profile voice actors working on this project. Perhaps that's where all their budget went and that's why they couldn't afford animation lol. It's a terrible shame that season 2 is this awful. Don't get me wrong, season 1 wasn't a masterpiece either, it had tons of issues and the story was a bit of a mess there as well, but it had some interesting concepts and the visual design was unique and interesting. All of that has been ruined in season 2, it's one of very few anime I would legitimately describe as a trainwreck, but this really was a nuclear disaster of a show.
Abdiel7
Tower of God Season 2 - Cour 1 and 2 All in all it doesn't improve upon S1 as a package but I'm willing to live with it. With the very mixed reception to this season, i found that the reason lies in your own expectations. I will put forth a more realistic review and will compare each of my categorical points to S1. Unfortunately this won't be as good of a review as i failed my principles and was part of the "weekly gang" for this series. If we're being honest, we were blessed with the diligent work of "The Answer Studio" bringing us double the episodes we had last season and giving the community hope that the wealth of material from probably one of the best ongoing manhwa right now would finally be getting adapted. I'm sure the author SIU(Slave in Utero) was somewhat pleased with their efforts. The first thing to note is that this is "The Answer Studio's" adaptation. This isn't Mappa, This isn't Production IG, this isn't A1 pictures, this isn't the great titans Ufotable, Kyoto or David Production. We must humble whatever marvellous depictions we cultivated in our dreams and come back to reality. There's no real chance of a large and prominent studio taking on a continuation project for a source with such a large amount of content. We really mustn't lament their efforts, for many fans like me our call was truly "Answered". Was it bad? Definitely Not. Paradoxically, I will say, it's impossible not to be disappointed. This series, "Tower of God" is without a doubt a TITAN of it's respective medium and so it probably deserved a TITAN studio adapting it. However this doesn't put to shame what we have gotten which, for me, is more than good enough to satisfy my soul and leave me wanting more from this same studio. Art and Animation - Worse than S1 overall, but with peaks higher than S1. We were a litle catfished from the preview, the first 2 episodes looked and sounded great and were a slam hit across the community and social media garnering millions of views and attention, but unfortunately it was impossible for it all remain at that quality. With our downscaled choice of Studio, unfortunately, we had very inconsistent animation ranging from spectacle to amateur, rife with poor scene to scene direction and very clear lack of creativity and wisdom in the soundtrack placements. ToG S1 had it's own unique charm in the motion and drawing of it's characters. It couldn't always maintain the standard it set but it was more consistent and more confident in the difference in style from the webtoon. This difference was well received by many including myself. In my case, S1 is what inducted me to this series so i was quite surprised that the webtoon looked so much different. The animation in S1 was just cleaner overall and genuinely had few things to complain about when in motion. It was a decent enough example in this respect. This season's attempt from "The Answer Studio" instead opts to faithfully preserve the webtoon style, which was a welcome change, but it might have been a step too far for them. Firstly i will say, the presentation isn't so smooth and does take a while to get used to. They aren't able to keep up the quality set in the first few episodes. The art-style is sharper, more defined, more colourful sometimes requiring more work to get it looking fluid in motion. The limitations of this studio became all too evident, and these problems became clearer and more pronounced as you delved deeper into the stack of episodes. The scene to scene movements, perspectives and fight sequences, looking absolutely amazing at times whilst preserving the webtoon style and on the other hand utterly repugnant almost fan-made at other times. The first episodes and last episodes of each cour however were standouts for being much better in this respect but this inconsistency with abominable lows such as in episode 8 of the First cour really riled up the community. Especially after that eigth episode the social media accounts of this studio got bombarded with a wave of critiques from disgruntled viewers. I'd love to blame the general public for being such ungrateful spoiled children but in all honesty some of those episodes were verifiably indefensible. Sound - Simply worse than S1 General sound effect direction was fine, the sound effects sounded great and added the much needed push to the scene when the animation was sometimes lacking. But with the soundtrack score, especially after listening to the released soundtrack from Kevin Penkin. it just can't help but feel the wasted potential. It may be the case that i cannot recall correctly due to watching this weekly as opposed to binging S1. However i do see the magnitude of difference, in the utilization of the tracks. S1's usage of Penkin's score was pure wizardry it completely took over the show's identity invoking such a wealth of different feelings, emotions and goosebumps. It completely enhanced every plot-point bolstering the show's psychological appeal during it's various game challenges. The kind of music that just pulls you into it's world, creating invisible layers of depth that captivate you, the same kind that did wonders for Made in Abyss. I wouldn't blame the composer this but rather it's just the entire structure of direction employed here. None of the major scenes hit as hard as they could have and the tracks were heavily under-utilized. We're dealing with one of the best western composers in Kevin Penkin here, with a S1 soundtrack so good it still rings in my head to this day. But it just doesn't measure up. Don't get me wrong it still sounds great when the tracks hit but S1's direction made it almost ethereal, giving me goosebumps at times. Perhaps i'm desensitized to it all but to be honest i just didn't hear these tracks as much as they should have been used. Story and Plot - Obviously Better than S1 The direction just wasn't as great as it could have been. Only a few major moments hit for me, many good moments were skipped over or presented with very little emphasis or backing from soundtracks and scenery. In terms of what they adapted, obviously the content that was adapted blows S1 out of the water, It's much more interesting less annoying and more consistent. I can't say it's due to Answer Studio however it did better than the previous studio. It's just that the source produced far better this time around. Tower of god is known for it's rough start. We had 24 episodes as well as concluding the Work-Shop Arc maybe they could have planned some OVA's to cover a lot of the interactions they skipped over, it doesn't seem like they did a bad job here, it's just that we all would have loved more of it, and we're especially sad that it ended. Characters - Obviously Better because of source. They brought about alot of new characters as well as the old favourites. There were a great number of arrivals but it never felt overwhelming. Many of the other reviewers disagree. I believe the time they spent reusing old characters shows wisdom and competence in writing, it also served to bridge and and support many of the new additions to the cast. The characterization was mostly good showing a decent amount of dimension with dialogue which would rarely make you cringe. it was quite enjoyable and mature actually. But not all interactions were adapted which was quite a shame as some of the more obscure ones do decently well in explaining developments and were expedient for those who actually enjoyed the story beyond it's main plot.. Where are the OVA's and side series? It's a lot of work but it seems they aren't keen on the fan reception. Enjoyment - I enjoyed it better than S1 I will admit if anything was carried well from the source it's the humour, the humour always hit quite well with the new MC introduced in this season providing a lot of the comedic relief whilst also building up their character in quite an endearing fashion. They also do a good job of portraying power levels and keeping t…
NOAH_98
Overall, Tower of God: Season 2 has issues, but it also has merits which definitely deserve some credit. The main strength of the show is it’s unique plot which strays somewhat from the tropes common in other shonen. The ending could have been done better, and there are some important points to the plot that are hard to follow and are maybe not expanded upon enough by the end of the season, but the plot is at least somewhat complex and requires you to engage your brain a bit. There was a noticeable drop in the quality of animation from the first season, but there is still loads and loads of action, moreso maybe than some other shonen anime. The soundtrack is awesome and something that you may find yourself adding to your music playlists. Lastly, if you watched the first season, you will still be invested in the characters and want to see where their story takes them. The issues it has are not enough to make the show “bad” or even “average”, but they left me feeling a bit disappointed. They are prominent enough to not go unnoticed, especially for viewers of the first season. They definitely take my rating down and make me a bit demotivated from watching the next season (if it ever comes). If you can overlook some of the issues with the animation and the sometimes hard to follow plot, and you are looking for something more unique, I still think you may enjoy Tower of God: Season 2. In the end, I was a bit disappointed, but I cannot deny I still love Tower of God, even if mostly for riding the hype of the first season. While I am unsure at this time if I will continue watching, we’ll see where things go…
_Bubassotto_
This is the second part of the second season of Tower of God and I simply watched it because I wanted to finish the series once and for all, but this season is just as bad as the previous one. The only thing that "saves" it is the alligator that returns. A weak season with nothing new and no corrections to old problems, such as the abrupt cuts to certain moments, leaving the story disjointed. Overall, I only watched it because I wanted to catch up on this series, since I don't usually abandon works that I've already started watching. However, I believe that if there is a new season, I won't watch it, because I watched it out of obligation and not for fun. I don't think it's worth the time spent watching it. I believe that the manga/manhwa is better because the problems with cuts and animation are nonexistent. I conclude the work with a score of 6 and say that if anyone is interested in the work, stop watching the anime and go watch the manga/manhwa, and then you will be able to have a good experience with this work. =================================================================================================================Versão em Português===================================== Essa é a segunda parte da segunda temporada de Tower of God e simplesmente assisti só por que queria terminar a obra de vez mas essa temporada é tão ruim quanto a anterior, única coisa que "salva" ela é o jacaré que retorna a aparecer. Uma temporada fraca sem nada muito novo e sem nenhuma correção dos problemas antigos como o corte abrupto de certos momentos deixando a historia desconexa. No geral só assisti pois queria deixar em dia essa serie pois não costumo abandonar obras que ja comecei a ver, no entanto creio que se tiver uma nova temporada eu não vá ver pois assisti por mera obrigação e não por diversão, não creio que valha o tempo gasto de assistir. Acredito que o mangá/manhwa seja melhor pois os problemas de cortes e animação se tornam inexistentes. Concluo a obra com uma nota 6 e afirmo que se alguem tiver interesse na obra, saia do anime e vá ver o mangá/manhwa que ai sim poderá te alguma boa experiência com essa obra.
Caeruleus_CCXVI
5.25/10 ~ More of the same Disappointment If you made it through Season 1+2 then you know what to expect at this point, Poorly Animated fights, Bland Characters, meaningless injuries/deaths, over complicated plot that you could honestly cut out 1/2 of and it would make just as much sense. I and I know many share this opinion; that this show is judged so harshly because it does not stand up to the Manhwa at all, and that takes something that could possibly be rated at a 6-7 and it get squished down to a 4-6 by most people. However anyone who made it to the end of this 2.5 season will probably stick it out to the end, whether we actually like it or that we are just masochistic and need to finish everything. For myself personally this show weirdly checks a box because of my work where I sit at the computer for endless hours and I can split my attention ever so much to watch mid anime, the anime tho cannot be overly complicated (unless what you miss does not matter) and cannot have too much emphasis on the visual as either of these points will distract me from my work. So this show being fairly long, and pretty mediocre is weirdly what I am looking for. That being said its quite bad and I would not recommend anyone watch this lmfao.
Ilung
This is shit The animation is bad ass shit The story is dumb ass tho Who tf is the MC? Absolutely dumb Too many characters Boring as hell The MC is fucking annoying Idk why TF the season 1 is absolutely undoubtedly fucking amazing but when it comes to S2 like wtf is the writer wanted The story changing and everything absolutely hard to catch what the writer wants. Other word they make it very boring Story background like tower of god and ranker is very interesting but the writer failed to make it interesting The way they put everything in the hand is failed What a fucking waste especially with nice characters design The story development is very confusing, a lot of unnecessary things Dumb characters and dumb dialogue The logic behind these story are very confusing The world setting, it's joke, I mean the writer doesn't even thinking about this, they just randomly use places from real life and forgetting about the concept of tower of god, lol. The climax of the story is what, the writer failed to make the reader understanding it The good thing from this anime is the one and only the music, opening ending literally my taste. They spending the budget just for getting nice music not the animation 🤣 I mean if the story was that bad no wonder the animation getting so bad,lmfao. Animation 2-3/10 Story overall 2/10 Opening ending music 9/10 Anime sampah jink Ceritanya nggak jelas mau dibawa kemana, apa maunya creator nya dengan buat nih cerita Karakter development nya sampah nggak menarik Terlalu banyak karakter Ceritanya boring banget kecuali pas season 1 MC nya terlalu soft boy, terlalu polos, manalagi nggak kebagian cerita pulak, dialog nya dikit banget malah jadi karakter sampingan jadinya. Kan nggak jelas Jing ya kali kalau lu bikin ceritanya menarik sih GPP ye lah ini kagak Logik nya nggak jelas, dialog nya nggak jelas, kekuatannya macam apa dan kenapa juga nggak jelas banget, manalagi klimaksnya mau apa juga nggak jelas Shidou Buki? Manusia dicairkan jadi senjata? Hah?? Ada chat gpt? Hah?? Paan sih anjing? Ngentod lah bodo amat mana mau gw pikirin Pas gelut malah banyak bacot dan malah adu nasib cokkkkk, kan tololll bangsattt Desain character selain character dari season 1 (MC dan temennya) semuanya jelek gw nggak suka Comedy nya jelek Full of shit, iam done with these. Rachel lonte cewek bangsat Rachel bitch
Scanerior
Tower of God is another anime where games are played, which is a good basis for me in itself, which attracts me. Anyway, Tower of God works not only with games, which are often in the background, but also with its own plot and heroes, whose character it slowly builds. The first episode of the entire series seems weaker to me, however, then the first season gets going quite well and we have both interesting games and the establishment of interesting relationships between the characters, but I have to highlight the very conclusion of the first season, which brings a great plot twist. The second season starts dubiously, throwing a person into something they are not very interested in, but they quickly get back on their feet and the first part of the second season is actually a great continuation, unfortunately the second part of the second season is already weaker - the big game itself is quite boring, killed by a larger plot, which is however confusing and not very interesting at the moment. The characters are nice, the plot is also nice, the games themselves are sometimes good, sometimes boring, but overall I still enjoy it, I just hope it doesn't get extremely drawn out and maybe the creators know where they're going.